2008波爾多預售價之我見
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我覺得這次公布2008的預售價很合理,理由如下:(自己淺見)
1:記得我第一次買五大是在1996或1997年買1994 年的五大,價格在近四千元的價位,到目前2009年五大預售第一批落在NT$7,500-NT$7,800 的價位,等於在12年間漲了一倍(假設條件是1994 跟2008 的酒品質差不多,看目前公布的評分是跟1994年差不多,但2008產量受氣候影響有較少),關鍵在於經過12年物價漲了一倍你覺得合理嗎?我個人覺得合理,主要是在這12年中我們看到中印俄羅斯等新興國家的興起,這些合起來佔超過全球百分之四十以上的人口開始有錢,第一步驟就是多吃多用使得全球原物料颼漲,所以物價漲一倍我覺得合理。
2:其它年份的酒價在2008年預售價出來後,價格因比價效應而落底.
3:一些超級二級的酒價超級吸引人,以評分90-93 卻可以落在NT$1,600 -NT$1,800的價位,對有預算考量的人,如果可以喝到跟五大差不多的分數卻有近似五大的感覺,這種吸引力超誘人。不僅如此,這些高產量的二級酒莊價格會對新世界的酒價會有向下排擠的效果產生。(待續)
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我覺得William大主攻2008二到五級酒莊,以不到兩千元的價位去買評分高的酒是很好的策略
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就算Parker評錯分數,價格低都是最大優勢,我觀察幾個長期表現穩定的酒廠(只被評分長期在90-95間),只能說價格很有吸引力.
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http://www.farrvintners.com/recommendations.php
Robert Parker's RecommendationsWines of the Vintage
Robert Parker's Wines of the Vintage (excludes micro-production right-bank wines). Scores 94-96+ and above
Good Value Wines
Good Value Wines Highly Rated by Robert Parker (our selection of potentially good value wines rated at least 90-92 by Robert Parker)
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http://www.farrvintners.com/epnews.php?date=2009-5-6
Please note that the following wines have sold out:
Branon
Calon Segur
Clinet
Duhart Milon
Le Gay
Vieux Chateau Certan
La Violette
all First Growths
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2008 Bordeaux - "an excellent and in some cases, a great vintage" Robert Parker
The long-awaited Wine Advocate scores on Bordeaux 2008 are out and they are huge! Robert Parker clearly loves this vintage and writes that it has "all the qualities that make an excellent and in some cases, a great vintage so special: exceptionally dark opaque colors, gorgeously ripe fruit, stunning purity almost across the board, great freshness, slightly higher acids than normal, and remarkable density as well as concentration." He goes on to say that "the quality of the 2008 vintage turned out to be excellent, with a number of superb wines that are close to, if not equal to the prodigious 2005 or 2000 vintages (two years with many of the best wines I have ever tasted from top to bottom)?"
Farr Vintners is pleased to offer the following 2008's that are particularly highly rated:-
Chateau La Mission Haut Brion 2008 RP 94-96+ £1320
"Another property that is harvested very late (September 23-October 17), the 2008 La Mission-Haut-Brion is a powerful, backward effort that is not yet fully expressing itself. A blend of 51% Cabernet Sauvignon, 43% Merlot, and 6% Cabernet Franc, it reveals a deep blue/purple hue in addition to sumptuous aromas of melted asphalt, graphite, blueberries, and black currant liqueur. Dense, with high but velvety tannins, top-flight purity, and a full-bodied, backward, formidably endowed style, this beauty seems to be set for a long life. It is difficult to compare 2008 with any other recent vintage, but the closest would probably be 1998. A La Mission made for four decades or more of cellaring, it is a top-notch effort that should improve during the elevage in barrel."
Chateau Palmer 2008 RP 95-97+ £1050
"The 2008 Palmer, which tips the scales at 13.5% natural alcohol (among the highest achieved at this property), is a blend of 51% Merlot, 41% Cabernet Sauvignon, and 8% Petit Verdot. It is a massively rich wine with an inky/purple color, sensational density of fruit, velvety tannins, a glorious bouquet of black fruits, licorice, incense, and subtle barbecue smoke, a superb, full-bodied mouthfeel, and a fabulous texture and length. With several minutes of swirling, an enticing floral note emerges. The wine’s glycerin and sweetness suggest it will be approachable 3-4 years after bottling, yet keep for three decades or more. It appears to be among the finest Palmers made this decade, rivaling both the 2005 and 2000."
Chateau L'Evangile 2008 93-95 £720
"It was an atypically late harvest at this famed Pomerol estate, beginning on September 29 and ending on October 14. Even more remarkable were the frighteningly low yields of 20 hectoliters per hectare. The final blend was 88% Merlot and 12% Cabernet Franc, and the natural alcohol hit 13.7%, among the highest of the last one-hundred years. The acidity is surprisingly good given the ripeness of the fruit and the generally high alcohols in the 2008 Bordeaux. The dense purple-colored 2008 l’Evangile exhibits a floral nose of sweet mulberries, black currants, and black cherries, a full-bodied, lush texture, silky tannins, and an exceptionally fine finish. While not that evolved, this precocious Pomerol was tasting unusually well for such a young barrel sample. It should drink well for 15-20 years."
Chateau La Conseillante 2008 92-94 £495
"This estate has long been known for its elegant, complex, racy, supple, delicious wines, but the 2008 is more massive, structured, and concentrated than usual. There is a lot going on in this richer, more tannic effort. No one will be disappointed, but purchasers should not expect a wine that will be drinkable upon release. A dense ruby/purple color as well as plenty of concentration, sweet, but elevated tannins, and a huge finish suggest this estate is moving in the direction of Gazin, Lafleur, and Trotanoy. Anticipated maturity: 2014-2030."
Chateau Pichon Lalande 2008 RP 94-96 £480
"The 2008 Pichon Lalande’s final blend was 63% Cabernet Sauvignon, 29% Merlot, and the rest Petit Verdot and Cabernet Franc. Only 38% of the crop made it into the grand vin, and the result is a wine that blows away the 2005. Terrific texture and opulence, forward fruit, sweet tannin, and a lush personality are found in this dense purple-colored 2008 along with copious quantities of sweet berries, roasted coffee, underbrush, black currant, and black cherry fruit. Sensationally pure, textured, and full-bodied, this will be a flamboyant, showy offering in its youth, but it is capable of lasting 20-30 years."
Vieux Chateau Certan 2008 RP 92-94 £480
"The 2008 Vieux Chateau Certan was still going through malolactics when I tasted it, so my score is probably on the low side. Yields were a strikingly low 34 hectoliters per hectare, and the harvest was slightly earlier than at most properties, starting on September 28 and ending on October 8. The final blend had not yet been determined, but what I tasted was 70% Merlot, 25% Cabernet Franc, and 5% Cabernet Sauvignon. As one might expect, this wine was among the least evolved and judge-able wines I tasted in late March. Nevertheless, it reveals outstanding potential, and once malo is finished, I would expect the wine to put on more weight and flesh. It reveals a dense purple color, plenty of depth, beautiful sweet, pure blue and red fruits, and notes of camphor as well as incense. The wine’s striking freshness, length, and overall potential are promising. Production is off by 25% as there will be 3,000 rather than the normal 4,000 cases of the 2008.Given the structure, acids, and overall concentration, this wine should evolve for 25-35 years."
Chateau Lynch Bages 2008 RP 91-93+ £380
"This strong effort from Lynch Bages may turn out to be the finest wine produced here since the 2000. It is a backward, powerful, opaque purple-colored 2008 with fine acids, firm but sweet tannins, and thick, dense levels of attractive blackberry and cassis fruit intertwined with notions of underbrush, lead pencil shavings, and roasted herbs. It appears to be a denser, richer effort than some of the more lightweight Lynch Bages offerings of recent years."
Chateau Gazin 2008 RP 94-96 £365
"The 2008 is a marvelous effort from this property situated adjacent to Petrus and only a stone’s throw from l’Evangile. An amazing effort, the wine exhibits an inky/ruby/purple color, wonderful concentration, a beautifully sweet perfume of caramels, mocha, jammy black currants, and smoky blackberries, a full-bodied mouthfeel, a layered, skyscraper-like texture, and sweet but elevated tannins. Overall, it displays gorgeous freshness and delineation"
Chateau Leoville Poyferré 2008 RP 92-94 £320
"This powerful, dense, full-bodied 2008 is still backward and unevolved, but it possesses a dense purple color as well as sweet aromas of creme de cassis, vanillin, crushed rocks, and flowers. With high but ripe tannin and a long finish, this wine will benefit from 5-8 years of cellaring, and should keep for three decades thereafter."
Domaine de Chevalier 2008 RP £285 - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BY FARR VINTNERS
"One of the finest wines made at this estate over the last three decades, Domaine de Chevalier's 2008 (60% Cabernet Sauvignon, 30% Merlot, and the rest Petit Verdot and Cabernet Franc) achieved 13% natural alcohol. It was cropped at 45 hectoliters per hectare, which is significantly lower than in most top vintages. The most noticeable thing is that consultant Stephane Derenoncourt has drastically cut back the influence of new oak, or at least its ability to intrude on the aromatics and flavors. This beautifully textured, dense purple-colored 2008 exhibits notes of graphite, spring flowers, and blue as well as red fruits in an elegant, full-bodied, flavorful, layered mouthfeel. The freshness of the vintage, combined with low yields has given this cuvee an atypical density and richness that is largely unprecedented. Production is relatively small for the size of the vineyard (about 8,000 cases). This beauty should drink well for 25+ years."
"As I have previously written, Duhart Milon has become one of the stars of Pauillac thanks to the meticulous attention to detail as well as the investments made by the Rothschild family. A blend of 73% Cabernet Sauvignon and 27% Merlot, with the Cabernet picked during the week of October 8-15, and the Merlot a week earlier, the 2008 offers up sweet aromas of cassis, licorice, crushed rocks, and forest floor in an expressive, graceful aromatic display. Freshness, superb concentration, high but ripe, sweet tannins, and good acids characterize this dense, concentrated wine. It possesses a stunning upside potential of 25-30 years. Yet, like so many of these 2008s, the ripeness of the tannins along with the density and sweetness of the fruit suggest it will be approachable at an early age."
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人的投資情緒常常讓自己受情緒誤判而犯錯,2008受金融風暴酒價跌回合理區間不敢多買,等2009紅酒報價受大陸需求影響價格大漲,造成心理癢癢的豈不是人性的操弄!
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喜歡勃根地酒的酒友快趁大陸對這塊區域尚不熟悉的情形,有名的釀酒師的酒多收一些,此區產量不多,不像波爾多,Lafite 酒價被大陸炒高,你可能還買的到,勃根地一旦被大陸蒐走,你可能想買也買不到.
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可以請K大推荐那個釀酒師嗎
想收些合理勃根地慢慢品嚐
謝謝你寶貴意見
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你客氣了啦 找時間去買書來看
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哈!心有戚戚焉,我最近因為2009BX FUTURE的高價
,又開始瀏覽08年的future。真的機會很多!
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這期雜誌說08年沒想像中那麼好了 連帕克都承認當初判斷可能有些許失誤..
不知是真是假啊
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意者私訊,價格絕對比現在國內代理商便宜很多